tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post7016561218402549248..comments2023-10-06T04:47:29.028-04:00Comments on Independent Armenia - Ազա՛տ, Անկա՛խ Հայաստան: ՆԻԿՈԼ ՓԱՇԻՆՅԱՆ. ԸՆՏՐՈՒԹՅՈՒՆ ՉԸՆՏՐՈՒԹՅՈՒՆԻՑ ՀԵՏՈUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-1019848297214988362008-04-07T14:01:00.000-04:002008-04-07T14:01:00.000-04:00Reflective, at this point I think our ideas about ...Reflective, at this point I think our ideas about change are at the opposite ends. I still believe that when decent people to improve the system from within in a regime, it prolongs the time the regime exists. Without these Good Samaritan wannabes, the demise of the regime would come much sooner and less painfully.Ankakh_Hayastanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05325640735361093139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-64465262080552855132008-04-05T05:04:00.000-04:002008-04-05T05:04:00.000-04:00That is one theory, Nazarian. Let's take it furth...That is one theory, Nazarian. Let's take it further: the same argument can be used for preventing investment (why invest in a criminal state), upholding the law (why pay taxes to a criminal regime), or best still, emptying Armenia of Armenians (why be a slave in a criminal system).<BR/><BR/>I think, however, that the above theory doesn't take our nation too far, and is one of the consequences of having lived under foreign domination for a millennium.<BR/><BR/>Thankfully, and nevertheless, many people have tried to improve the situation from within, both during the last 10 years under Kocharyan, the previous 7 under an even more autocratic LTP regime, and even the completely totalitarian USSR.<BR/><BR/>Interestingly, your same theory was used by some Dashnaks who were virulently opposed to Soviet domination of Armenia during the cold war. Strange how the same sentiments (wearing different war paint now) come around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-4747491378242997292008-04-04T23:49:00.000-04:002008-04-04T23:49:00.000-04:00Reflective, the category of people 'who simply wor...Reflective, the category of people 'who simply work to change for the better from within' may be doing more damage than good. By propping up an illegal dictatorship that has no shred of respect for the average citizen is slowly bleeding the country to death.<BR/><BR/>If the decent people did not support the regime, their demise might come much more quickly and with less of a negative impact to the nation.<BR/><BR/>Just yesterday the Russians announced that they want a union between Russia and Armenia. This still sounds like a joke today but wait for a couple of years (if serjik is not kicked out) and Armenia will be a de-facto Russian province. Kocharian/Sargsian criminal duo has sold most of the Armenian assets to them already so it's not far fetched to predict this.Ankakh_Hayastanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05325640735361093139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-87628068401251263192008-04-04T12:40:00.000-04:002008-04-04T12:40:00.000-04:00Sounds very noble, Nazarian, but I think the ranks...Sounds very noble, Nazarian, but I think the ranks of the noble exist outside your ivory tower, and the ranks of the well-funded (whether from the Grzos' mere hundreds of millions or the Berezovsky's billions) also exist among the revolutionaries.<BR/><BR/>I am not an ARFer, but I doubt highly that most of their ranks are funded any better than the radicals today.<BR/><BR/>For that matter there are many state-ists in government today (and have always been, and will always be) who are not part of any mafia or grey-money who simply work to change for the better from within.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-34064543615129765812008-04-04T10:39:00.000-04:002008-04-04T10:39:00.000-04:00Like everywhere else, you the large majority of Di...Like everywhere else, you the large majority of Diasporans are bystanders. Then you have two other distinct groups - the cynics and critics who will toe the official line, and another group roughly the same size who will go against the official directive.<BR/><BR/>The problem is that the detractors and critics are the well funded parties and organizations. The proponents of change are volunteers like me who spend their own time and resources to bring about democracy and freedom to Armenia.<BR/><BR/>Beyond the scarcity of resources, the advantage that we, the volunteers, have is that by definition we are more committed to what we do than say an ARFD apparatchik.<BR/><BR/>Who will win in the end - money or enthusiasm? That's a strategic issue that I have been pondering lately...Ankakh_Hayastanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05325640735361093139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-15153680000914952832008-04-04T04:53:00.000-04:002008-04-04T04:53:00.000-04:00Actually, I would say that the "huge chunk" of Dia...Actually, I would say that the "huge chunk" of Diasporans are not interested in boycotts, but rather, interested in issues. That they may not agree on issues is natural (probably healthy), and no different from the majority of local Armenians in their diversity.<BR/><BR/>What do you mean by boycott anyway? I understand that you don't agree with Haylur's depiction of the news. OK. But while I may not agree with CNN's coverage, I think it is important to read/watch it to see the "party line."<BR/><BR/>I doubt that your "boycott" will change much other than keep you that much more ignorant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-22295986296356909492008-04-04T02:58:00.000-04:002008-04-04T02:58:00.000-04:00Reflective, for once I agree with you. There are m...Reflective, for once I agree with you. There are many kinds of diasporan Armehe ones calling for a haylur boycottnians. We've so far only identified two or three. There is a huge chunk that could care less about Armenia and Armenian politics. But then there are the activists from LA who have been very inolved in organizing demonstrations. so who to inform??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-2691269751922710542008-04-04T01:39:00.000-04:002008-04-04T01:39:00.000-04:00My response to the last 2 comments is that "the Di...My response to the last 2 comments is that "the Diaspora" is not one (or even two) guys we can go ask what their opinions are. There are lots and lots of flavors out there. Those who support this or that politician, those who support this or that principle, etc.<BR/><BR/>Generalizing like this makes our points seem more convincing but we are in fact missing a whole lot which results in bad analysis.<BR/><BR/>I have no doubt that 2 of the dozens of groups in the Diaspora are identified above, but this is only 2. And I do not consider them the main 2, for what it is worth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-56654156663481744752008-04-03T20:14:00.000-04:002008-04-03T20:14:00.000-04:00I am talking about mainly 2 groups of Diaspora Arm...I am talking about mainly 2 groups of Diaspora Armenians:<BR/>1. Hayastancis who have left in the mid 90s, and who have little idea about what had been happening in Armenia since then and who still see Levon as teh GReat Devil<BR/>2. the more important group - the non-Hayastanci Diasporans, whether affiliated with political parties or not, who have fallen victim to RK-SS propaganda.<BR/>They are the ones who influence the ARmenian diaspora organizations like ANCA and AAA.<BR/>I'm sure that if there is proper information about realities in Armenia, even Dashnakcagan and ultra-nationalist diasporans will change their opinion and follow the example of Sefilyan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-24649323215133335272008-04-03T18:43:00.000-04:002008-04-03T18:43:00.000-04:00Which diaspora Armenians are you talking about? T...Which diaspora Armenians are you talking about? The Hayastansis who have relatives know full well what is going on. It is those who don't have personal links to Armenia that need to have more information. But some of these Armenians prefer to toe their respective party lines (ARFD, Ramgavar) and we know what that means...Besides, are we all very surprised by this? Didn't the diaspora urge the Karabagh Committee not to act back in 1988 for fear of angering the Soviet government?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-57294986140113794052008-04-03T13:33:00.000-04:002008-04-03T13:33:00.000-04:00I think we should be more activein terms of explai...I think we should be more active<BR/>in terms of explaining the situation to the Diaspora.<BR/>A lot of people in the Diaspora simply don't know what's happenning,<BR/>they don't know the web-sites, or they think it's not that important.<BR/>On the other hand, the government is very active, it spends a lot of time and effort on the brainwashing of the diaspora, because that's where the money comes from.<BR/>I think one of the mistakes of the oppostion was that they did not pay enough attention to working with the diaspora (though may be this was simply because of lack of resources).<BR/>Anyway, what I'm saying is - you can't wait for diasporans to come to the truth themselves, you have to be assertive with them, you have to make them see the truth, even if they don't want to.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous N 2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-72137701740896675842008-04-03T03:34:00.000-04:002008-04-03T03:34:00.000-04:00When we in Armenia didn't have access to media and...When we in Armenia didn't have access to media and some websites, were blocked, many of us were trying to find that blocked information in any way. Now, the question is does Diaspora want to know the truth? If yes, they always have the acces to the truth: videos, articles, blogs, etc. The thing is how Diaspora is going to start making changes or is Diaspora going to take steps and how strong should they be?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-17498101867489864352008-04-02T20:44:00.000-04:002008-04-02T20:44:00.000-04:00great article, powerful arguments...it's a pity we...great article, powerful arguments...<BR/>it's a pity we don't have enough materials like this in English, for<BR/>shwoing Diaspora the reality.<BR/>If there had been some kind of web-site, some FAQ page, which explained clearly the situation in Armenia, at more people in the Diaspora would have known the truthAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5660834.post-57273682158046617322008-04-02T19:06:00.000-04:002008-04-02T19:06:00.000-04:00tserkert talar Nikol Pashinyan, inchkan jisht yev ...tserkert talar Nikol Pashinyan, inchkan jisht yev inchkan tibug en krvadznere...haye sdrug che, yev sdrgaderere bidi che hajoghinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com